Interview with Matt Chandler

When I was working at Compassion UK I managed to get an interview with Matt Chandler because I heard him mention that his church was involved with Compassion whilst listening to one of his sermons. Here’s the interview…

Matt Chandler is the Pastor of The Village Church in Dallas, Texas. His family sponsor two Compassion children, and he has recently written a new book, The Explicit Gospel.

Can you tell me about The Village’s partnership with Compassion in Guatemala?

We wanted tangible ways for the church to gauge the world around them. Relational and tangible ways. Compassion was our best option and Guatemala is closer to our church than many places in the U.S.

Our involvement with the ministry of Compassion was inspired by Claude Drury, who sponsored 130 kids. Claude measures everything in his life to maximize the money he can spend toward children in poverty. He had my ear and that’s how the church got more involved with Compassion.

How have you seen the partnership with Compassion become part of the church as a Body?

Our involvement with Compassion has become a talked about and shared experience. We can look back on our 1st letters, see children grow up and compare those original letters to where they are today. We have been with Compassion for 10 years and the ministry is part of our church culture.

Can you tell me about your sponsored child?

We sponsor three. One from Guatemala and two in Kenya. This summer my wife and two daughters went to Kenya and visited church partner Rift Valley Fellowship where they were able to meet our sponsored children, Hope and Grace.

My oldest daughter picked Hope because she had the same birthday as her. My youngest daughter chose Grace the same way.

It’s been good for my daughters to see girls their age live very differently and the trip to Kenya gave them a greater awareness of the privilege they live with in Dallas.

Many children in Dallas are catered to. For example, being given crayons and a coloring page when you go to a restaurant. Children in developing countries are not recognized or acknowledged in the same way.

My daughters brought princess dress up clothes for Hope and Grace. Grown women in the community in Kenya wanted to play dress up too because it’s something they never got to do when they were girls.

A lot of people quote the first half of James 1:27 in a context around poverty, but how should the instruction “to keep oneself from being polluted by the world” also inform us in how we see missions?

When all is said and done, how you live with your money shows what you treasure most. Look
When I look at my bank statement and time, love for my family shows over anything else. at your bank statement and your time and you’ll see what you love most.

And I’m not wanting to do a “drive by guilting” on these topics. Understanding eternity helps how we love. Do we care more about this world or the world to come?

To what extent are the poor our responsibility?

We need to look at this in layers. Look around at where you are first. Serve your local city and then add to uttermost part of the earth. The Village meets needs where we can and where we are. As we meet needs like job training, for example, we communicate love and mercy to the people around us.

I don’t put pressure on people of The Village to serve the poor. I do tell them though to enter in and serve people around our community.

With the social gospel, it is very easy to represent the gospel as being purely about social action. How do you remedy this?

When all is said and done it’s the atoning work of Jesus that changes lives.  And that is more than keeping people fed. If that’s all you do, you do people a disservice.  We should be actively engaged in social action with the heart of the gospel in the middle of the social action.

In your Compassion Sunday sermon you gave an anecdote of how someone explained to you that kingdom hands are dirty hands. Could you unpack that a bit for us?

If you live and hear what’s true but you never work with people in need and make sacrifices, then things don’t happen.

Theology flushes itself out in movement.  Working with broken people for long periods of time is not easy. When you roll up sleeves and work with those in need, it’s never really over. It’s dirty work but it’s worth it.

In your book, The Explicit Gospel, you write about the need for the gospel to be deliberately overstated. Is there any link between how much we allow the gospel into our blood stream and the extent to which we’ll be willing to do acts of compassion?

Yes, there absolutely is. The gospel is God’s generosity. The more we understand God’s generosity toward us the more we give to others.

What are the dangers of giving out of an ‘assumed gospel’ mentality?

When you assume the Gospel, people see and base the gospel on our actions. You know the saying, “preach the gospel and if necessary use words?” Well that is a ridiculous statement. The Gospel IS Words. The Gospel is to be heard and received. People don’t know the real gospel because we are assuming that they do.

I preach on God’s generosity and how He lavishes us with common and special grace.

One of the ways I see God glory’s is, He doesn’t pick the perfect looking dog. He goes to the pound and picks the three legged, one-eyed dog. We should feel free to rest in his glory and grace.

By Joe

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2 thoughts on “Interview with Matt Chandler

  1. Sounds exactly like what I hear him say nearly every Sunday at 5. My husband and I came from a church where we didn’t trust the pastor. Our last pastor lives very lavishly, is always starting some kind of controversy (and it’s more “pastor” centered than Jesus centered) and was always slamming other churches and threatening to “empty out all of the churches of DFW in one weekend”. After a year a avoiding church we were literally drug to TVC. Having been duped before my husband and I were slow to hand over our trust again but Matt and the TVC team has really proven themselves.

    Matt lives modestly, (the money from his books have been signed over to the church and he allows the church to decide how they take care of him and his family) he’s approachable, and other than a few “bible thumping extremist who have something again every pastor” he is without reproach. In the last 4 years I’ve become very confident in his preaching and leadership, but I think even Matt would tell you, trust but verify. He will always push for you to look it up yourself, study the word and ask questions.

    So glad you interviewed him!

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